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Anyway, here's Kai! Kai is yet another case who seems to have opted for the classic eyes and nose combo. With him as well predebut doesn't equate pre-surgery, as there are multiple predebut pictures of him during his trainee days where he already had work done. Let's get into it! The first thing that stood out it my were his eyes. Granted, he was probably only in middle school in the first photo but nevertheless we can tell that he used to have a lot of fat/extra tissue around his eyes. While some of that may have disappeared with age, I believe he's had both an upper and lower blepharoplasty to help with that. In addition to that he seems to have touched up his double eyelids as well to make them more defined and even. Finally his epicanthic fold seems far less prominent, indicating an epicanthoplasty. Kai had some work done on his nose as well. I admittedly cropped the second picture weirdly but you should still be able to tell that both his nose bridge and tip look more defined and narrower. I believe he's had both a rhinoplasty and a tip plasty to to make his nose more shapely. He most definitely does not have an implant: Kai's nose bridge is naturally rather bumpy, which is why we can pretty much rule out an implant. Instead he seems to occasionally opt for fillers to make it smoother. While this caused a near calamity in 2016, the last pic from 2019 shows his nose looking slightly bumpier again, indicating that the change was only due to temporary fillers which he seems to make use of every once in a while. Here's the summary of his procedures: 1. Upper and Lower Blepharoplasty 2. Double Eyelid Surgery 3. Epicanthoplasty 4. Rhinoplasty 5. Tip Plasty 6. Fillers for his nose brigde Please let me know if I missed anything!

I wasn't gonna post this because it's only tangentially on topic but the thread is so quiet right now that I changed my mind anyway during Enhypen's tour kickoff concert in Seoul, a male fan shouted "I LOVE YOU!" at Sunoo while he was making his closing speech. This clip from the concert livestream is interesting bc you can see Enhypen's various reactions to it. A couple of them think it's funny - Sunghoon says "oh, very brave" lmao - and a couple of them don't seem to understand what's happening. Most notable to me is Jungwon going eww/ooh and making a pushing away motion. I'm curious what he meant there since it doesn't exactly read as positive.

Funny how we're once again talking about the lack of subtle plastic surgery in new SM groups considering the next member I'm analyzing is Chanyeol, master of subtle and natural looking procedures! Chanyeol has always been famed for his visuals, so much like Suho his face only needed very subtle tweaks here and there before he was ready to debut. Speaking of debut, Chanyeol already appeared in various media during his time as a trainee, meaning that for him as well predebut does not necessarily mean pre surgery. While Chanyeol never had particularly small eyes to begin with, his post-debut eyes are, well, huge. The above picture is too low quality to tell, but he did in fact already have double eyelids predebut, which have been deepened and heightened for his debut. On top of that I believe he's had two epicanthoplasties to his inner and outer corners, respectively. Another possibility that I'm not quite sure about is a lower blepharoplasty. I feel like the white of his eyes is much more exposed in the lower part, but that could also be due to cutting his outer corners. Interestingly enough his eyes are still slightly uneven (I believe the second pic is mirrored, sorry), which makes his procedures look a bit more natural. Finding good quality pictures of his before nose in profile was near impossible so I hope this will do. I believe Chanyeol had a sublte tip plasty; if you look closely his nose tip used to point downwards, whereas in the after picture it is ever so slightly upturned. Leaving the bump as is and not shaving it down or, god forbid, add an implant was a genius move in my opinion. It looks much more natural this way. Truly a blink-and-you'll-miss-it type of nose job. That's it for surgical changes I could pinpoint, however there is one more thing I am not sure about. I personally believe Chanyeol has veneers, but I have no way to verify this since it was impossible to find predebut pictures where he is smiling with his teeth showing. At least his incisors look kinda different from the rest of his teeth for me but I have no idea: What do you guys think? And if you have better pictures of his smile please do post them, I just kinda winged this because I don't have time to go looking for pictures of his smile right now lol. Here are my findings summed up: 1. Double Eyelids deepened 2. Epicanthoplasty, inner and outer 3. Possible Lower Blepharoplasty 4. Tip Plasty 5. Possible Veneers 6. Possible fillers And that's it for Chanyeol! I like that he didn't go overboard (although his eyes do look huge sometimes) and opted for an overall rather natural look and subtle enhancements. Next member will be Kai, possibly even today!

Idols during the 1st, 2nd and 3rd gen used to get plastic surgery little by little trough out their careers. This way the public couldn’t catch up on them until they were already 7 years into their careers which meant that at that point it would be a bit “ridiculous” to complain about it. This however was during a time where idols were allowed to have “awkward” visuals the first few years of their careers. Nowadays however, people expect idols to debut with the same visuals that took 1st till 3rd gen, 7 years to achieve. That’s why companies (like SM and HYBE) been giving their rookie idols all these obvious surgical enhancements. They probably also know that fans will defend these idols till death as most of these surgeries were done before debut and as most idols nowadays are underage or barely of age it could be perfectly disguised as “puberty”.

https://www.pannchoa.com/2023/08/enter-talk-they-botched-yoon-sangs-sons.html knetz response to Anton's nose. I think they've become focused on their idols having the trademark 'sm look' (aka resembling previous idols) instead of leaning into their natural features

It's probably both that and the fact that they seem to be desperately chasing plastic surgery trends. While cosmetic procedures are pretty much always a reflection of current trends I feel like in pre-Aespa generations there was at least an attempt to have each member look distinct and work with their individual features (at debut at least, what happens later on their careers is a different story). Either way I can't get over how different rookies look nowadays compared to ~10 years ago.

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Finally they are doing smth. this bs being going on since a long time ago. i think it got worse at some point with the 3rd generation when they started releasing 56789 version of the same album (bc they released member ver) and years later they started abusing with the number of pc. I remember that i noticed how ridiculous was starting to get when TWICE released a album and had 100 photocards (correct me if i am wrong bc it been a long time but i recall the number was just insanely crazy so am almost sure it was 100 pc) I also know that some older youtubers decided to stop collect pc and kpop albums bc was not fun anymore for them. they was spending a lot of money on it and it was almost impossible to collect all the pc. tho i dont collect pc, i also lost interest in buying albums bc they just keep releasing 345678 versions of the same album. It's been a while since i bought one (i believe "dreamcatcher - alone in the city" was the last i bought so i think i stop care in 2018)

No one in SK acknowledges MHJ’s problematic behaviour because they don’t see any of it as a problem. It’s a harsh fact that we need to accept as international fans, even though it’s hard to see your favs specifically seek her out to work with them.

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Ngl I used to watch Bernadette's videos all the time and I didn't even realize it was her in the thumbnail of that history of plastic surgery video?! I'm yet to watch the video but yeah. Definitely something has changed, be it different make up, weight gain or cosmetic enhancements.

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Still waiting for Yolo (Yeri solo) and Bolo? (Irene solo) official one anyway. Release Kaching!

I saw this and my soul ascended, lol. I also saw the clips of Junsung, Sungho, and Seonwoo reacting to the first ep, and neither SH or SW knew about Junsung's ex being on S1. SH was flipping out in a cute way and almost cried while Junsung tried to extricate himself from the doghouse, lol. Seonwoo had also asked Sungho if he was dating someone to which SH responded yes and then Junsung said he was also seeing someone while they looked at each other and smiled. So pretty much confirmed that they are still dating all these months later. The only way Season 3 can top this season is to have at least 3 endgame couples on JunSungho's level. ETA: Tweets of the reaction clips

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Why is NingNing the only one who wasn't on set and had to be photoshopped in the convo bubble? It looks odd.

omg guys!! @pyunkangyul @Shaandenigma @polander

Am I the only one who thinks something looks off about Vivi's face?

I hope they do well.

Wow so beautiful Thank you for sharing so many beautiful pics and gifs

I am super ready for this! The girls look GORGEOUS with their new styling and the teaser sounds promising!

Climate change. Over-inflation of everything. Corruption.

does that mean every track will be 2:30

Best SHINee practice video ever cause it's true practicing and learning the choreography. I'm so happy and grateful.

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Ooh I didn’t know they were releasing and OST. It’s really good!

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I went to check out SM's new boy group, and I know SM hasn't been subtle with their surgical enhancements for a while now but man... SM idols used to have incredible glow ups due to very small, but effective changes to their look. Where did that subtlety go? Also: me when I lie

does his nose look different? idk if its just his hair thats throwing me off or the lighting but he looks different or it could be because of his pollybeak nose deformity and its gotten worse? like it couldve slipped down further since we last saw him idk

I don't think there are any changes besides the brow shape. The jaw shape fluctuation might be easily attributed to the change of camera lens, which makes sense bc she's a YouTuber. Updating the filming equipment is a crucial part of their job

next group should be named luuguubaloo

Ever since that loss of face fat (some say buccal, some say it’s just diet + aging) and that one inner eye corner, she literally looks just the same as girls-era. Like how are you guys getting fooled by her MUA changing the eyeliner to a much lower wing and filling in her outercorner with eyeshadows? They also opted out the aegyo-sal makeup (they used to do this one during thirsty/girls variety show promotions afair). edit: saw a makeup on her first hyperline and yea the makeup is too different. Thicker brows, more highlights and glitters and subtle aegyo sal makeup. The wing was also much higher instead of the current one which was dragged down and winged.

If anyone wants to watch, Shinjiro uploaded the whole video of his conference and coming out, with English subs too.

the kakaotalk/wechat one is funny because at the same fansign ricky was asked if he uses kakaotalk or wechat with hao more and he said they don't need to use either of those since they see each other everyday

Time for part 3, this time featuring Suho! As far as surgical changes go Suho was a pretty easy member to analyze. However there is one thing I need to clarify before I start: Unlike Baekhyun and Chen who trained for less than a year, Suho trained for a whopping six years, meaning there is a chance that some of the predebut pics I've used won't necessarily be pre-surgery as well. Just a thing to keep in mind. Suho with his classically handsome face is someone who obviously won the genetic lottery, hence very little work was needed to make him look idol-worthy. When it comes to surgeries I think he kept it simple and went for a conservative eyes and nose combo. Looking at his eyes, I think it's safe to say that he's had both his eyelid crease deepened as well as an epicanthoplasty. The first two pictures are both predebut, but we can see a clear change in the shape of his inner eye corners as well as a deeper and more defined crease. However I will have to say that the crease part could be due to the poor quality of the first pic; in all of his predebut pictures he's had obvious double eyelids, so it's possible that the only double eyelid surgery he's had was in preparation for his debut. The last photo is the most recent, and his eyelids are no longer uneven. The second obvious change is his nose. While it was rather shapely to begin with, it has since been narrowed down considerably. Sadly I haven't been able to find a predebut picture of his profile to check whether the height of his nose bridge changed as well, but regardless of that I think we can safely assume he's had an implant inserted to give his bridge more height and definition. While these angles are obviously not quite the same, his nostrils are also slightly more on display than before. Consequently he's probably had a tip plasty as well. I'll have to retract my statement from earlier though that he's had an obvious nose job around Overdose. I was so sure of that for many years but once I actually put pictures from 2012-2014 together I came to the realization that nothing much changed at all? Maybe it was the drastic weight loss and blond hair that threw me off. The lighting obviously isn't the same but as far as the shape goes I'm pretty sure it's the same. While it's overall a well done nose job, the tip at times looks slightly pinched depending on the angle: This is purely my opinion, but I have an inkling that this type of nose job won't age too well as the skin around the implant becomes thinner with age. That's it for surgical changes, however a common "complaint" about Suho's look is that he often looks waxy, puffy and pillowy. While he has naturally full cheeks to begin with it is not farfetched to assume he regularly get's fillers as well, especially around the cheek area. Here's all the procedures summed up: 1. Double Eyelid Surgery 2. Epicanthoplasty 3. Rhinoplasty featuring a silicone implant 4. Possible Tip Plasty 5. Fillers, especially to the cheeks Please let me know what you think, especially regarding his nose. I felt like I was going insane because I swear there are some more changes than the initial first nose job but whenever I try to directly compare pictures of similar angles everything suddenly looks the same to me.

LOL i look forward to your review, eventually. my impulse buy back in february, some hot pink running shoes i'd never worn, saved me from showing up to the theater with nothing pink. it was so fun. EVERYONE came in pink, and SOOOOOOOO many women showed up in elaborate dresses it was adorable. i really really liked the movie, though i wish we had more time with America Ferrera + Barbie together and perhaps a better plot for President Will Ferrell lol. honestly my only nitpicks. Oppenheimer blew me away. i can not for the life of me stop thinking about it. i got vacation time off next week, definitely gonna see it again, if not two more times. im in absolute awe. Cillian and Robert are unquestionably walking away with those oscars. hopefully Nolan will get a nom for best adapted screenplay. and the rest of the massive supporting cast did amazing. so happy to see Josh Hartnett again, Rami Malek showed up for one scene and ate the whole dame plate. Alden Ehernreich, i just wanted to hug him, he was so good, and being paired with Robert he wasn't diminished at all. something thats bothering me is how not enough people are talking about the biggest star of the film. LUDWIN GORANSSON'S SCORE ITS SO F`CKING BEAUTIFUL I WANNA DIE "Can You Hear The Music" and "Destroyer of Worlds" are some of the best piece's of music i've ever heard. the entire score is just breathtaking, dude i was tearing up in the first 15 minutes of the film JUST BECAUSE OF THE MUSIC, I LOVE IT SO MUCH. LUDWIG I WILL GET YOU THAT SECOND OSCAR IF ITS THE LAST THING I DO. (big ass reaction pic i cannot resize asdfg ) what a day, 5 stars all around.

Honestly I try not to worry to much about the inconsistencies with their interactions lately since I feel like it probably also has a lot to do with wakeone. Ever since bp ended I feel like we’ve been watching wakeone struggling with what to do about haobin. They started out posting a lot of haobin content (like the tiktok content and the first debut teaser) but then something shifted and they stopped pairing them up all the time. I personally feel like most haobin moments we get nowadays come from sources outside of wakeone. Usually we see companies push ships and fanservice but haobin is different since not only a lot of fans but also people outside the fandom believe there to be something going on between them. I think wakeone is very aware of this and is trying to find a balance between keeping shippers happy and not painting out zb1 as a gay group. Maybe I’m delulu but I personally think that the moments we’ve seen lately were they seem more careful of physical touch (like the cute clip that was posted above) speak to them being told to reign in their affection a bit. On another note I feel like Haobin being more cautious on camera might actually be good for them. Just as many of you mentioned, an unfortunate byproduct of haobin being open with their fans leads to some fans feeling like they have a right to know what is going on in their relationship which is bound to take a toll on them.

I'm back with the second part of my EXO series! This time we're going to look at Chen! I actually meant to post his analysis yesterday as well thinking it was going to be quick and easy, but when I was deciding on which pictures to choose I realized his case wasn't quite as clear cut as I initially thought. After browsing some more old blogs and looking at him in motion I think I can finally pinpoint what's changed for sure. All disclaimers from yesterday apply here as well. Let's start with a general comparison: (Apologies for the bad quality of the predebut pic, all the better quality ones had him wearing glasses so you could barely see his eyes which is why I had to settle for this one.) Anyway, at first glance it kinda seems like nothing much has changed at all. While predebut Chen had a noticeably square jaw, which resulted in his face sometimes looking rather bottom heavy and a little bit imbalanced, his post debut jaw doesn't look all that much different from the front. His profile however is a different story: With SM's love for v-lines and soft, steep jaws, there was no way they'd let a strong jaw like Chen's pass. And fair enough, at debut his mandible angle had been visibly shaved down, indicating a jaw reduction. What really tripped me up however was when this was supposed to have happened. Watching their old MVs, I initially thought he had debuted with his original jaw and either went in for a jaw shave during their hiatus between their debut and their first album, or had his jaw shaved down sometime between their MV filming and debut, which would have left him with very little recovery time: This gif from the History MV shows him with his distinctly square jaw. Same with some of their earliest promo: Once he'd debuted however his lower face started to look significantly slimmer and more v-shaped, and from looking at pics as early as his Gayo Daejun performance in 2011 it was clear that his jaw shave must have already happened by then, given his mandible angle was nowhere to be found. This leads me to believe that he did not only have a large mandibular bone, but large masseter muscles as well. In addition to a jaw shave he must've also gotten botox to the masseter muscles for the desired v-line effect that a jaw reduction alone couldn't achieve. I personally believe he still gets botox shots every once in a while. His jaw isn't nearly as inconsistent as, say, Jaehyun's, but it does occasionally seem to fluctuate a bit. The other thing that stuck out to me are his eyes. Sadly none of the predebut photos I've found are high quality enough to allow for a detailed analysis, but I'll try my best: These two photos admittedly don't give me much to work with, but judging by the second pic I believe Chen already had double eyelids to begin with, they were just rather uneven and a bit hidden. For his debut I believe he's had his double eyelids deepened and the crease heightened, as well as an epicanthoplasty to get rid of the epicanthic fold: I cannot tell whether he had an upper blepharoplasty as well, it's possible but for now I'm sticking with double eyelids+epicanthoplasty only. I do not think he touched his nose either; the picture with the glasses is pretty much the only one we have of his profile and his nose bridge looks about the same height as now to me. It does look a little bit more defined in his after pictures, but it's nothing good lighting can't do so I don't want to jump to conclusions without sufficient material to judge from. To sum it all up, here's what I believe Chen had done over the years: 1. Jaw Reduction 2. Masseter Botox 3. Double Eyelid Surgery 4. Epicanthoplasty Interestingly enough he's never struck me as the type to go ham on fillers. He probably does get them every once in a while, but overall his face moves very naturally and he never looks visibly filled in. My personal opinion is that while his jaw shave is definitely one of the better ones we've seen and only truly noticeable in profile when you know what to look for, it was also wholly unnecessary. I feel botox alone would've done a lot already to slim down his lower face and balance his features, but at the end of the day it's his face and I can't say he looks bad now. His eyes on the other hand are a stand out to me, I think getting rid of his epicanthic fold was an interesting choice that paid off. That's it for Chen! As always, comments and corrections are more than welcome!

seeing this on my tl nearly sent me into a panic bc it was posted shortly after a bunch of haobin articles went up on naver (bc of their ending fairy together) little ramble up ahead: edit: linking this vid bc it's just too cute