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Funny how we're once again talking about the lack of subtle plastic surgery in new SM groups considering the next member I'm analyzing is Chanyeol, master of subtle and natural looking procedures! Chanyeol has always been famed for his visuals, so much like Suho his face only needed very subtle tweaks here and there before he was ready to debut. Speaking of debut, Chanyeol already appeared in various media during his time as a trainee, meaning that for him as well predebut does not necessarily mean pre surgery. While Chanyeol never had particularly small eyes to begin with, his post-debut eyes are, well, huge. The above picture is too low quality to tell, but he did in fact already have double eyelids predebut, which have been deepened and heightened for his debut. On top of that I believe he's had two epicanthoplasties to his inner and outer corners, respectively. Another possibility that I'm not quite sure about is a lower blepharoplasty. I feel like the white of his eyes is much more exposed in the lower part, but that could also be due to cutting his outer corners. Interestingly enough his eyes are still slightly uneven (I believe the second pic is mirrored, sorry), which makes his procedures look a bit more natural. Finding good quality pictures of his before nose in profile was near impossible so I hope this will do. I believe Chanyeol had a sublte tip plasty; if you look closely his nose tip used to point downwards, whereas in the after picture it is ever so slightly upturned. Leaving the bump as is and not shaving it down or, god forbid, add an implant was a genius move in my opinion. It looks much more natural this way. Truly a blink-and-you'll-miss-it type of nose job. That's it for surgical changes I could pinpoint, however there is one more thing I am not sure about. I personally believe Chanyeol has veneers, but I have no way to verify this since it was impossible to find predebut pictures where he is smiling with his teeth showing. At least his incisors look kinda different from the rest of his teeth for me but I have no idea: What do you guys think? And if you have better pictures of his smile please do post them, I just kinda winged this because I don't have time to go looking for pictures of his smile right now lol. Here are my findings summed up: 1. Double Eyelids deepened 2. Epicanthoplasty, inner and outer 3. Possible Lower Blepharoplasty 4. Tip Plasty 5. Possible Veneers 6. Possible fillers And that's it for Chanyeol! I like that he didn't go overboard (although his eyes do look huge sometimes) and opted for an overall rather natural look and subtle enhancements. Next member will be Kai, possibly even today!

Also it seems like QDP has more queer contestants than what I initially thought, just found this interesting reply under kpopsapphic's tweet about Fye.

Anyway, here's Kai! Kai is yet another case who seems to have opted for the classic eyes and nose combo. With him as well predebut doesn't equate pre-surgery, as there are multiple predebut pictures of him during his trainee days where he already had work done. Let's get into it! The first thing that stood out it my were his eyes. Granted, he was probably only in middle school in the first photo but nevertheless we can tell that he used to have a lot of fat/extra tissue around his eyes. While some of that may have disappeared with age, I believe he's had both an upper and lower blepharoplasty to help with that. In addition to that he seems to have touched up his double eyelids as well to make them more defined and even. Finally his epicanthic fold seems far less prominent, indicating an epicanthoplasty. Kai had some work done on his nose as well. I admittedly cropped the second picture weirdly but you should still be able to tell that both his nose bridge and tip look more defined and narrower. I believe he's had both a rhinoplasty and a tip plasty to to make his nose more shapely. He most definitely does not have an implant: Kai's nose bridge is naturally rather bumpy, which is why we can pretty much rule out an implant. Instead he seems to occasionally opt for fillers to make it smoother. While this caused a near calamity in 2016, the last pic from 2019 shows his nose looking slightly bumpier again, indicating that the change was only due to temporary fillers which he seems to make use of every once in a while. Here's the summary of his procedures: 1. Upper and Lower Blepharoplasty 2. Double Eyelid Surgery 3. Epicanthoplasty 4. Rhinoplasty 5. Tip Plasty 6. Fillers for his nose brigde Please let me know if I missed anything!

Idols during the 1st, 2nd and 3rd gen used to get plastic surgery little by little trough out their careers. This way the public couldn’t catch up on them until they were already 7 years into their careers which meant that at that point it would be a bit “ridiculous” to complain about it. This however was during a time where idols were allowed to have “awkward” visuals the first few years of their careers. Nowadays however, people expect idols to debut with the same visuals that took 1st till 3rd gen, 7 years to achieve. That’s why companies (like SM and HYBE) been giving their rookie idols all these obvious surgical enhancements. They probably also know that fans will defend these idols till death as most of these surgeries were done before debut and as most idols nowadays are underage or barely of age it could be perfectly disguised as “puberty”.

https://www.pannchoa.com/2023/08/enter-talk-they-botched-yoon-sangs-sons.html knetz response to Anton's nose. I think they've become focused on their idols having the trademark 'sm look' (aka resembling previous idols) instead of leaning into their natural features

can't wait, especially their godly B-sides like

SM and their obsession with V-chins and super high jaws is so annoying. Does he really need all that work? He looks like a mix of Yuta and Lee Know now, when his original features were nothing like them. Seunghan as well, his visuals remind me of Boys Planet Lee Jeonghyeon. They’d probably be asked to do some nose/chin work no matter what to maximise that sharp visual look but from the latest polaroid pictures — I have no idea why SM went that far.

Did you miss any girl group releases in July, 2023? The video is just a short snippet from each MV and the links below go the MVs. Flashback to July 2013: f(x) ITZY - BET ON ME NMIXX - Roller Coaster KISS OF LIFE - Shhh (debut) Queenz Eye - UN-NORMAL NewJeans - New Jeans NewJeans - Super Shy Kep1er X TAYO - RESCUE TAYO Lapillus - Paper (Performance Video) (B-Side) NMIXX - Party O'Clock ODD EYE CIRCLE - Air Force One IVE - I WANT (2023 Pepsi x Starship) (CF) (G)I-DLE - I DO ICHILLIN' - MEME MAMAMOO+ - Save Me (..*---*..) ICHILLIN' - KICK-START NewJeans - Cool With You NewJeans - ETA ITZY - None of My Business Oh My Girl - Summer Comes SATURDAY - STAY ILY:1 - MY COLOR NewJeans - ASAP Fishingirls - Destruction King ITZY - CAKE

I can't use the search function because this site is broken again. But does anyone know what Zero Base One's Sung Hanbin got done? Weight lose aside, his transformation is one of the most drastic I've seen in a long time. Before when he lost weight: To now: His features are much more flower boy/prince-like now. His facial structure and eye shape are entirely different now. My guess is Buccal fat removal, Cheek bone reduction, and eye work to give him that flower boy look.

Yaaaay, new Red Velvet music and promotions! Plus, it will cut down on some of those trucks parked in front of SM.

His nose looked so much better previously (at least from side). I dont get the obsession with tall nose that dont exactly fit the face. It's not as pointy as most Hybe noses™ but its in the hybe nose category which i'm not fan of. But from the front it seems to look pretty good?

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Nice, when is Shinee going

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230801 JAEHYUN IG Story "i received a call just now and they said the release date has been changed 8/8 18:00 kst" Translated by yunotized

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Yeah, he's a living, breathing red flag and it's sad that she's so in love, she's overlooking all of the signs that her "loving' husband may be shady as hale. He is going to happily ride her like a mule until his break comes (if it ever does). She is beautiful, talented, and loyal (to a fault) and she deserves better.

does his nose look different? idk if its just his hair thats throwing me off or the lighting but he looks different or it could be because of his pollybeak nose deformity and its gotten worse? like it couldve slipped down further since we last saw him idk

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I don't think there are any changes besides the brow shape. The jaw shape fluctuation might be easily attributed to the change of camera lens, which makes sense bc she's a YouTuber. Updating the filming equipment is a crucial part of their job

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my absolute favourite PS fact is that the first ever rhinoplasty was performed in 600BC in India! it was more of a nose reconstruction, but it used the same method we do today, by taking skin and tissue from the forehead and making a flap to bring down to form the nose, it's AMAZING. i first heard about it from Dr Lindsey Fitzharris on instagram, her whole account has so much cool information on the history of surgery and medicine, if anyone else is interested in that sort of thing! it can be a little graphic at times, so it may not be for everyone, but i personally find her account absolutely riveting

next group should be named luuguubaloo

Taking a short break from my current analysis series to post this gem of a video for everyone who is into the history of plastic surgery: Turns out fillers, nose jobs and jowl fat removal were already a thing over a hundred years ago, and not just for reconstructive but actual cosmetic purposes as well. Closed nose jobs and jowl fat removal through incisions on the inside of the mouth to reduce visible scarring are essentially still performed the same way today. And using wax as injectives kinda blew my mind.

Basically the dude was born handsome, but yeah he also doesn’t strikes me as one to use much fillers( suho and sehun strike me as the ones who use it a lot, I don’t judge cause if I had money same)in fact sometimes when the photos are unedited I can see his expression lines, wrinkles( like the normal ones that you start to get at his age), I also think, maybe I’m just wrong/have bad eyes but oh well, that there are places where I can see he lost fat/volume because of natural aging, but I don’t think that’s ugly actually it’s kinda endearing and really beautiful, even comforting, it’s nice to see someone on the public eye being okay with all that, I know I wouldn’t be so I’m kinda jealous.

I'm back with the second part of my EXO series! This time we're going to look at Chen! I actually meant to post his analysis yesterday as well thinking it was going to be quick and easy, but when I was deciding on which pictures to choose I realized his case wasn't quite as clear cut as I initially thought. After browsing some more old blogs and looking at him in motion I think I can finally pinpoint what's changed for sure. All disclaimers from yesterday apply here as well. Let's start with a general comparison: (Apologies for the bad quality of the predebut pic, all the better quality ones had him wearing glasses so you could barely see his eyes which is why I had to settle for this one.) Anyway, at first glance it kinda seems like nothing much has changed at all. While predebut Chen had a noticeably square jaw, which resulted in his face sometimes looking rather bottom heavy and a little bit imbalanced, his post debut jaw doesn't look all that much different from the front. His profile however is a different story: With SM's love for v-lines and soft, steep jaws, there was no way they'd let a strong jaw like Chen's pass. And fair enough, at debut his mandible angle had been visibly shaved down, indicating a jaw reduction. What really tripped me up however was when this was supposed to have happened. Watching their old MVs, I initially thought he had debuted with his original jaw and either went in for a jaw shave during their hiatus between their debut and their first album, or had his jaw shaved down sometime between their MV filming and debut, which would have left him with very little recovery time: This gif from the History MV shows him with his distinctly square jaw. Same with some of their earliest promo: Once he'd debuted however his lower face started to look significantly slimmer and more v-shaped, and from looking at pics as early as his Gayo Daejun performance in 2011 it was clear that his jaw shave must have already happened by then, given his mandible angle was nowhere to be found. This leads me to believe that he did not only have a large mandibular bone, but large masseter muscles as well. In addition to a jaw shave he must've also gotten botox to the masseter muscles for the desired v-line effect that a jaw reduction alone couldn't achieve. I personally believe he still gets botox shots every once in a while. His jaw isn't nearly as inconsistent as, say, Jaehyun's, but it does occasionally seem to fluctuate a bit. The other thing that stuck out to me are his eyes. Sadly none of the predebut photos I've found are high quality enough to allow for a detailed analysis, but I'll try my best: These two photos admittedly don't give me much to work with, but judging by the second pic I believe Chen already had double eyelids to begin with, they were just rather uneven and a bit hidden. For his debut I believe he's had his double eyelids deepened and the crease heightened, as well as an epicanthoplasty to get rid of the epicanthic fold: I cannot tell whether he had an upper blepharoplasty as well, it's possible but for now I'm sticking with double eyelids+epicanthoplasty only. I do not think he touched his nose either; the picture with the glasses is pretty much the only one we have of his profile and his nose bridge looks about the same height as now to me. It does look a little bit more defined in his after pictures, but it's nothing good lighting can't do so I don't want to jump to conclusions without sufficient material to judge from. To sum it all up, here's what I believe Chen had done over the years: 1. Jaw Reduction 2. Masseter Botox 3. Double Eyelid Surgery 4. Epicanthoplasty Interestingly enough he's never struck me as the type to go ham on fillers. He probably does get them every once in a while, but overall his face moves very naturally and he never looks visibly filled in. My personal opinion is that while his jaw shave is definitely one of the better ones we've seen and only truly noticeable in profile when you know what to look for, it was also wholly unnecessary. I feel botox alone would've done a lot already to slim down his lower face and balance his features, but at the end of the day it's his face and I can't say he looks bad now. His eyes on the other hand are a stand out to me, I think getting rid of his epicanthic fold was an interesting choice that paid off. That's it for Chen! As always, comments and corrections are more than welcome!

Frankly surprising someone with that kind of question randomly in public to someone who isn't like a politician is just stupid and will not give you a honest answer. Most idols are aware of the more progressive nature of ifans and might answer affirmatively even if they were homophobic, other idols are also aware of the controversial nature of lgbt issue at home or in other countries that they make money in and will not answer. The days in the 2010s when idols would outwardly state their opinion for or against just because (Jonghyun vs. Siwon) are gone as companies are more controlling over sns, and fans should accept that for what it is.

I went to check out SM's new boy group, and I know SM hasn't been subtle with their surgical enhancements for a while now but man... SM idols used to have incredible glow ups due to very small, but effective changes to their look. Where did that subtlety go? Also: me when I lie

stumbled upon this thumbnail and omg why tiffany why?? the bangs n the nose reminds me of park bom and not in a good way.

This isn't K-pop related per se but it's an odd coincidence bc that very video made me go down a rabbit hole last week trying to figure out if Bernadette Banner (the youtuber herself) got recent work done lol she looks so different to me than she did >1 year ago but I can't put my finger on how. And sometimes she doesn't really look that different after all. If this video is her softlaunching her own PS journey that would be pretty funny. Examples below the spoiler... pls ignore me & scroll if I'm going against the point of this thread, I just have to talk about this somewhere :

I wonder if voluntary military enlistment will uptick since Jin is one of the new recruit trainers. Who wouldn't want to say one of their supervisors while in the military was a BTS member?