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Part of what makes Ricky hard to gauge is that imo he's much younger emotionally than expected. Visually he looks mature (I saw people assuming he was 22-23 lol) and during BP he was so petrified of being evil edited he barely emoted, but now in ZB1 it's becoming clear that he's very goofy and sweet and playful in an young way. Half the time the other members are calling him a baby and the fake maknae, and the other half the time they're calling him annoying haha. So whenever he does anything sus, I'm left wondering if he's being a babygirl or just being a baby. My takes... sorry for the novel: Jiwoong: Some BTS stuff with Seobin was interesting but I could go either way. If straight, he's a good ally, based on him being public friends with Holland Hao: Do I even need to say anything here Hanbin: Definitely queer, but more understated than some people expected. I think his predebut fierceness (ex. the Mother video) was a persona he put on to match the vibes of the performances Matthew: Straight and the Mattwoong stuff gives me huge younger child energy lol he grew up with an indulgent older sister and still likes being coddled. I think he's also comfortable with fanservice and plays into it (sometimes tooooo obviously) Taerae: Church Oppa is decisively dead lmao anybody shocked by his transformation in ZB1 needs to go rewatch BP because there's a reason he was attached at the hip to Woongki and Seowon, plus besties with Phanbin Ricky: No clue! I love him though!! Gyuvin: Very straight but effusively affectionate. I hope the intense surge in Gyuricky shipping doesn't make things weird btwn him & Ricky because their dynamic is adorable. Gunwook: Honestly kinda similar to Ricky, he looks and acts mature but is actually quite young and has expressed a desire to be babied by his hyungs which sometimes reads as babygirlism. I know he was part of a gg dance troupe in school but that alone doesn't convince me of anything. Probably straight...?? Yujin: Skipping him lol but I do think it's funny he's more mature (emotionally) than like half the group

Sunoo going viral on Tiktok & Twitter for walking lmao I think it's interesting how perception of Sunoo has shifted among Engenes. Even just a year or two ago, swathes of people were insisting he was becoming more manly or more "boyfriend-coded," with an intensity that kinda felt like denial. Now if you check Tiktok comments or qrts about him, it's nothing* but babygirl/slay/goddess/mother/cuntress/girlypop/etc (which is iffy in a different way). I'm curious whether it's the same people and they finally accepted reality let go of the manly man rhetoric, or whether Enhypen's growing popularity has introduced new fans who never bought into the manly man rhetoric in the first place. Even Belift seems to have backed off on that a little, thank god. *ok there are still some boyfriend stans but they're a much smaller contingent than they used to be.

Mine isn’t too different than before, though Ricky is the one I ponder about the most. Taerae is the most flamboyant. It’s sad Woongki didn’t make it but Taerae is giving enough sass to help make up for it lol. Zhang Hao too in that regard. SHanbin is less flamboyant than the other two, and I honestly wouldn’t think much of him if it wasn’t for how much he seems to love Hao lol. He literally called him his other half, which was nice to see them affectionate with each other. Gunwook and Gyuvin I think are straight. Yujin seems really mellow overall and I don’t think much either of him but he’s also the youngest so I don’t like to ponder about minors too much, but that’s personal. Jiwoong is our resident boy kisser but bit of enigma. Wouldn’t be shocked if he was gay, bi, or ace tbh. Ricky and Matthew are the more mysterious ones to me. I think Matthew is straight but sometimes I get a vibe. My vibes have always been way off though lol

i really like the interpretation from these tweets: also the way zhang hao just knew hanbin would add a little smiley face... so cute :]

IVE - love their feminine glam and rich girl vibe image. wonyoung's hair is always snatched, best hair in the industry rn. Their songs always hit. Has one of the best mv quality amongst their peers imo. And lbr, their height makes them a stand-out too. NewJeans - A group full of fresh charms. Love how aesthetically pleasing their styling always are (clothes+makeup), their choreography is quite unconventional (for girl groups) as their choreo is quite heavily influenced on old hip hop for lots of their songs, waacking (Super Shy), and a more contemporary/expressive (Cool with U). The members also are able to digest and deliver the variety of dances well too. Le Sserafim - All the members are good dancers and performers as a group. I love how all the members are equally given the opportunity to shine as a group and individually with their own gigs/content. Something that is envious for many rookies. NMIXX - Skilled idols who can easily sing live well even while dancing. Stamina and core strength with live singing while dancing is equivalent to experienced senior groups. I rarely see a rookie girl group who are comfortable, even eager, to show off their vocal skills. Kep1er - While I don't know much about them, I do have the impression that they are very hardworking. They immediately competed on Queendom 2 right after debut. Imagine preparing for your debut simultaneously having to prepare yourself for ANOTHER competition show. respect. Aespa - A group with no vocal holes. Their AE concept is very interesting, making them unique while among their peers. STAYC - A group who holds their own ground very well whether that is with skills or with competing groups. All the members matches the group's identity and direction very well. Template: IVE NewJeans Le Sserafim NMIXX Kep1er Aespa STAYC feel free to add addition girl groups, i only listed ggs i'm the most familiar with

Basically the dude was born handsome, but yeah he also doesn’t strikes me as one to use much fillers( suho and sehun strike me as the ones who use it a lot, I don’t judge cause if I had money same)in fact sometimes when the photos are unedited I can see his expression lines, wrinkles( like the normal ones that you start to get at his age), I also think, maybe I’m just wrong/have bad eyes but oh well, that there are places where I can see he lost fat/volume because of natural aging, but I don’t think that’s ugly actually it’s kinda endearing and really beautiful, even comforting, it’s nice to see someone on the public eye being okay with all that, I know I wouldn’t be so I’m kinda jealous.

I'm back with the second part of my EXO series! This time we're going to look at Chen! I actually meant to post his analysis yesterday as well thinking it was going to be quick and easy, but when I was deciding on which pictures to choose I realized his case wasn't quite as clear cut as I initially thought. After browsing some more old blogs and looking at him in motion I think I can finally pinpoint what's changed for sure. All disclaimers from yesterday apply here as well. Let's start with a general comparison: (Apologies for the bad quality of the predebut pic, all the better quality ones had him wearing glasses so you could barely see his eyes which is why I had to settle for this one.) Anyway, at first glance it kinda seems like nothing much has changed at all. While predebut Chen had a noticeably square jaw, which resulted in his face sometimes looking rather bottom heavy and a little bit imbalanced, his post debut jaw doesn't look all that much different from the front. His profile however is a different story: With SM's love for v-lines and soft, steep jaws, there was no way they'd let a strong jaw like Chen's pass. And fair enough, at debut his mandible angle had been visibly shaved down, indicating a jaw reduction. What really tripped me up however was when this was supposed to have happened. Watching their old MVs, I initially thought he had debuted with his original jaw and either went in for a jaw shave during their hiatus between their debut and their first album, or had his jaw shaved down sometime between their MV filming and debut, which would have left him with very little recovery time: This gif from the History MV shows him with his distinctly square jaw. Same with some of their earliest promo: Once he'd debuted however his lower face started to look significantly slimmer and more v-shaped, and from looking at pics as early as his Gayo Daejun performance in 2011 it was clear that his jaw shave must have already happened by then, given his mandible angle was nowhere to be found. This leads me to believe that he did not only have a large mandibular bone, but large masseter muscles as well. In addition to a jaw shave he must've also gotten botox to the masseter muscles for the desired v-line effect that a jaw reduction alone couldn't achieve. I personally believe he still gets botox shots every once in a while. His jaw isn't nearly as inconsistent as, say, Jaehyun's, but it does occasionally seem to fluctuate a bit. The other thing that stuck out to me are his eyes. Sadly none of the predebut photos I've found are high quality enough to allow for a detailed analysis, but I'll try my best: These two photos admittedly don't give me much to work with, but judging by the second pic I believe Chen already had double eyelids to begin with, they were just rather uneven and a bit hidden. For his debut I believe he's had his double eyelids deepened and the crease heightened, as well as an epicanthoplasty to get rid of the epicanthic fold: I cannot tell whether he had an upper blepharoplasty as well, it's possible but for now I'm sticking with double eyelids+epicanthoplasty only. I do not think he touched his nose either; the picture with the glasses is pretty much the only one we have of his profile and his nose bridge looks about the same height as now to me. It does look a little bit more defined in his after pictures, but it's nothing good lighting can't do so I don't want to jump to conclusions without sufficient material to judge from. To sum it all up, here's what I believe Chen had done over the years: 1. Jaw Reduction 2. Masseter Botox 3. Double Eyelid Surgery 4. Epicanthoplasty Interestingly enough he's never struck me as the type to go ham on fillers. He probably does get them every once in a while, but overall his face moves very naturally and he never looks visibly filled in. My personal opinion is that while his jaw shave is definitely one of the better ones we've seen and only truly noticeable in profile when you know what to look for, it was also wholly unnecessary. I feel botox alone would've done a lot already to slim down his lower face and balance his features, but at the end of the day it's his face and I can't say he looks bad now. His eyes on the other hand are a stand out to me, I think getting rid of his epicanthic fold was an interesting choice that paid off. That's it for Chen! As always, comments and corrections are more than welcome!

Hello and Welcome to the first installment of my EXO analysis masterpost!! Predebut EXO with their current lineup, poor Xiumin wasn't invited it seems. But worry not, he will be part of this series. Now before we begin, here are a few disclaimers to start with: I am not going to analyze the ex-members(Kris, Tao, Luhan), simply because their departure from the group was almost ten years ago by now and I have no idea what they've been up to since (except Kris being in jail hopefully) or where to even start looking for updates on them. If anyone here happens to still follow them, they are welcome to make their own analyses and I will add them to the masterpost. I will try my best to include Lay though. Secondly, I will not go through era by era for every single member, for multiple reasons. Those being a) even with three/four members leaving or being inactive, they're still a big group, b) they've been around for a hot minute and sifting through old tumblr archives for pictures that are HD, unedited, have them wearing as little makeup as possible and have the right angle gave me a major headache, and c) they've really not changed all that much throughout the years. Lastly, please know that I know nothing. I only have a working set of eyes and google on my side. Corrections, comments and suggestions are more than welcome. Let's get started! The first member in this series is going to be no other than Baekhyun, whose analysis is probably one of the most anticipated! Now Baekhyun was an interesting and ngl one of the hardest cases for me to make sense of, for several reasons. Consequently, chances I'm wrong about pretty much everything are pretty high. Please take everything I say with a grain of salt. While at first glance it may seem like his surgeon crafted him a whole new face, the more I looked into it the more I came to the conlusion that he really didn't have all that much more done than the rest of the members at all. Rather, I think it was a few but very specific and effective changes that made all the difference in the end, because something clearly happened between these two photos, and it wasn't just a decent haircut and professional styling: We're going to look at three things that I think have changed, namely his eyes, nose and lower face, meaning the jaw/chin area. I apologize in advance for the terrible quality and angles of some of the predebut pics, I tried my best but he really didn't give me much to work with. I'm gonna start with the eyes, since those two pics already provide a pretty good look at what possibly changed (sorry for the inconsistent sizing lol also please note he is wearing light makeup in the second and third photos): The shape of his eyes stayed surprisingly similar. Droopy eyelids with a hidden crease and downturned corners. My guess is that he had an upper blepharoplasty predebut to get rid of excess fat and tissue on his upper eyelid. This small but decisive change did some heavy lifting and opened up his eyes quite a bit without altering the shape. At the same time it exposed his eyelid crease and irises a bit more, as is typical of blepharoplasties. His inner corners look the same to me, but he may have had his outer corners cut a little bit. Not sure about this one at all though, since it could just be side effect of the upper bleph. Now to get an idea of the changes to his nose: As we can see, from the front his nose bridge looks a bit bumpy with a bulbous tip. A quick glance it his side profile also shows that his nose used to be shorter than it was at debut/now: Compared to 2012, where not only his nose bridge is smoothed out but his nose is also visibly longer: I had to look up which procedure can elongate the nose, and it seems that the answer is by reshaping the nose tip through cartilage grafting. I do not think he has an implant; it has been established before that he uses fillers to smooth out his bridge and it does seem to fluctuate every once in a while between slightly bumpy, straight and even hooked at times. He probably gets fillers in the upper part of his bridge up until the eyebrows and above the tip: Admittedly not the best pic, but the bridge is slightly more bumpy here. Versus more hooked in 2016: I also think he may have had an alarplasty in addition to the reshaping of the tip. Saving the best for last, let's look at the work the transformed his lower face. This is the one part about his face that has been debated the most throughout the years, with speculations ranging from jaw shave to chin shave to chin wing implants. After looking at a million pics I reckon he probably got the Jessica Special, meaning corrective jaw surgery with some cosmetic bonuses, since we're already at it. Using this pic again, we can see that his chin juts out awkwardly, creating an imbalanced lower face, with clear indents around his chin. This leads me to believe he first and foremost had corrective jaw surgery to fix his underbite, similar to Jessica, and then some more work to shorten and soften his chin a little bit and create an oval face shape: compared to his profile at debut: Now what's interesting is that the closer we get to his predebut times at SM, the more his jaw looks like his post debut one. It could theoretically be possible that he already had corrective jaw surgery in high school as it would be beneficial for him, with SM only adding the finishing touches to complete his flowerboyification. Look at his jaw during his high school graduation ceremony, it does not look all that different from how it looks now: I still believe he either had a chin reduction or a chin wing implant later on to further integrate his chin and create more of a v-line. There's this indent between his lower lip and chin that doesn't seem to exist anymore. Comparing predebut Baekhyun to a more recent picture: To sum it all up, here's what I think he's got done: 1. Upper Blepharoplasty 2. Possible Epicanthoplasty 3. Tip plasty by using cartilage grafting 4. Possible Alarplasty 5. Fillers to smooth out nose bump 6. Corrective Jaw Surgery to fix bite issues 7. Chin Reduction or Chin Wing Implant to give the illusion of a reduction 8. Generally fillers like how all idols get them What do you think? I think it's a shame how much flack Baekhyun gets for looking "ugly" predebut, so I tried my best not to use the worst pictures ever for this comparison. He undoubtedly had work done to get to his current looks, but I am firmly against purposefully using the most unflattering pics one can find and comparing them with pics where he is clearly all dolled up. For the after-photos I tried using pics where he's wearing very little to no makeup and that weren't edited to hell and back, to make it as fair as possible. As I said in the introduction, I am by no means an expert on this and at the end of the day only he knows the amount of plastic surgery he's had. I limited myself to only pointing out the changes I can personally see, but if there's anything else that caught your eye please do comment and I might add it to the post. Also please let me know if I should put the pics under spoilers, I tried to limit my selection as much as possible and tried my best at resizing them without compromising too much of the quality, but if it's still too much I'll change it. Next member will follow soon!

I’m also deep in the zb1 brainrot and this something I’m wondering a lot about as well lol. Right now I lean towards the members knowing. Seeing Gyuvin and Gunwook joking about how Hanbin flirts made me think that they probably are aware (who else would they have seen Hanbin flirting with?) We know that the members have been lurking on the internet since the start of bp so I think it’s very likely that they’ve seen Hao’s old weibo posts, all the gay planet jokes, Jiwoong’s bl kiss and so on. When you also consider the fact that zb1 seems to have become so close (with several of them having known each other for years) and how open they seem to be with each other I feel like they must have talked about all of this in some shape or form. I think they at the very least are aware that hao and hanbin are gay. Especially since haobin seems to have been quite comfortable with their sexuality before bp judging by their online presence. I might just be overthinking it though.

i wonder how they balance it all like imagine being with your crush or partner 24/7 as a young adult, and on top of that, having to constantly monitor how you're perceived (this is why i absolutely devour canon compliant fics LOL) + i also wonder if the members (or the company) would know? bc how do you trust a group mainly comprised of teenage boys to keep a secret... one abt ~romance and love~ at that... all i know is that gunwook deserves compensation for everything he's probably witnessed (read: tomboy era) i'm so sorry i keep rambling fr (zb1 brainrot has hit me hard) but yes i think haobin are both so interesting bc they feel so worldly and wise given their experiences with college and work (compared to other idols their age who may have solely focused on training). so i bet they're great communicators! as great as they could be with idol life and all that jazz. plus, i feel like jiwoong offers a lot of support as someone else who's been through. so much. to say the least. now that i think about it, i feel like haobin, jiwoong, and taerae might be the queer members of zb1 :0 man i'd love to see their interactions with other potentially queer idols too (need more hanbin x sunoo asap) bc i truly miss the babygirlz from boys planet... i think seowon said smth abt haobin like "they're basically family now" and i just need to know what he's seen...

Honestly I try not to worry to much about the inconsistencies with their interactions lately since I feel like it probably also has a lot to do with wakeone. Ever since bp ended I feel like we’ve been watching wakeone struggling with what to do about haobin. They started out posting a lot of haobin content (like the tiktok content and the first debut teaser) but then something shifted and they stopped pairing them up all the time. I personally feel like most haobin moments we get nowadays come from sources outside of wakeone. Usually we see companies push ships and fanservice but haobin is different since not only a lot of fans but also people outside the fandom believe there to be something going on between them. I think wakeone is very aware of this and is trying to find a balance between keeping shippers happy and not painting out zb1 as a gay group. Maybe I’m delulu but I personally think that the moments we’ve seen lately were they seem more careful of physical touch (like the cute clip that was posted above) speak to them being told to reign in their affection a bit. On another note I feel like Haobin being more cautious on camera might actually be good for them. Just as many of you mentioned, an unfortunate byproduct of haobin being open with their fans leads to some fans feeling like they have a right to know what is going on in their relationship which is bound to take a toll on them.

Wtf do BTS need cheating for? Pathetic.

I don't have a link to the tweets but Hobi was also the one getting clocked as gay a day after their debut lol

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Not Jiwoong going " This is the strength of Zerobaseone" (he didn't lie tho). It is pretty fun to see their personalities more so than we did from Boys Planet and pre-debut stuff.

i feel like taemin's answer is so typical straight guy and key is..... well, key (for context, what he said is a meme in korea so he's not being serious but you get the gist)

She looks like a completely different person and she's only 18. She looks pretty but sometimes her face looks stiff and over filled. I worry about what she's going to look like at 25 let alone 35.

wonyoung's before after side by side comparison is kinda crazy. i hate when others say that because an idol is young, its impossible for them to undergo surgery.... even leeseo the 14-15yo has gotten some tweaks (though she was always pretty): im gonna say she got her inner and outer corners of her eyes cut, double eyelid deepening, nose implant, lip filler, cheek filler, botox to the mouth area, and either she got a mini v-line jaw procedure or like botox to the jaw cuz it looks completely different. i think she's happy with the results and she knows she's pretty.

Welcome to Kpop! Where all the numbers are made up, and the votes don't matter. Is it really success when it's dishonest? Is it actually an achievement when it's not earned?

Wendy as I during rehearsal for Rebecca

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Too bad they flopped because the girls are the most talented group in this gen arguably. It was because of their concept and songs. Their only fans are company stans unfortunately and mv views and nr of albums sold dont mean shit these days.

Their agency is seriously dropping the ball cause NMIXX could be domestic darlings, they have everything. Please give these ladies a gp friendly earworm asap. They are one amazing song away from blowing up and changing the crappy perspective the kpop community has of them. (No matter what though, they are successful cause they are selling: albums, Spotify, and YouTube, etc.) Kpop fans' attitudes have become so low and it's depressing. They aren't flops Also, Is Amazing Saturday scripted and shot like a week before airing? Cause I know Key didn't act like he doesn't know NMIXX when he was JUST jingling jingling and mingling mingling (step for freaking step) with Sullyoon. For my own sanity, I'm just going to believe he danced with her after this episode was shot.

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No worries I'm definitely gonna give it a try, I even unearthed my old hard drive with thousands of Exo pics for this. Might still take a while because I'm extremely busy this week, so I'm thinking of posting an anlasysis whenever I have time and then follow it up with one big master post where I link to the individual analyses. Let's see!