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Hello and Welcome to the first installment of my EXO analysis masterpost!! Predebut EXO with their current lineup, poor Xiumin wasn't invited it seems. But worry not, he will be part of this series. Now before we begin, here are a few disclaimers to start with: I am not going to analyze the ex-members(Kris, Tao, Luhan), simply because their departure from the group was almost ten years ago by now and I have no idea what they've been up to since (except Kris being in jail hopefully) or where to even start looking for updates on them. If anyone here happens to still follow them, they are welcome to make their own analyses and I will add them to the masterpost. I will try my best to include Lay though. Secondly, I will not go through era by era for every single member, for multiple reasons. Those being a) even with three/four members leaving or being inactive, they're still a big group, b) they've been around for a hot minute and sifting through old tumblr archives for pictures that are HD, unedited, have them wearing as little makeup as possible and have the right angle gave me a major headache, and c) they've really not changed all that much throughout the years. Lastly, please know that I know nothing. I only have a working set of eyes and google on my side. Corrections, comments and suggestions are more than welcome. Let's get started! The first member in this series is going to be no other than Baekhyun, whose analysis is probably one of the most anticipated! Now Baekhyun was an interesting and ngl one of the hardest cases for me to make sense of, for several reasons. Consequently, chances I'm wrong about pretty much everything are pretty high. Please take everything I say with a grain of salt. While at first glance it may seem like his surgeon crafted him a whole new face, the more I looked into it the more I came to the conlusion that he really didn't have all that much more done than the rest of the members at all. Rather, I think it was a few but very specific and effective changes that made all the difference in the end, because something clearly happened between these two photos, and it wasn't just a decent haircut and professional styling: We're going to look at three things that I think have changed, namely his eyes, nose and lower face, meaning the jaw/chin area. I apologize in advance for the terrible quality and angles of some of the predebut pics, I tried my best but he really didn't give me much to work with. I'm gonna start with the eyes, since those two pics already provide a pretty good look at what possibly changed (sorry for the inconsistent sizing lol also please note he is wearing light makeup in the second and third photos): The shape of his eyes stayed surprisingly similar. Droopy eyelids with a hidden crease and downturned corners. My guess is that he had an upper blepharoplasty predebut to get rid of excess fat and tissue on his upper eyelid. This small but decisive change did some heavy lifting and opened up his eyes quite a bit without altering the shape. At the same time it exposed his eyelid crease and irises a bit more, as is typical of blepharoplasties. His inner corners look the same to me, but he may have had his outer corners cut a little bit. Not sure about this one at all though, since it could just be side effect of the upper bleph. Now to get an idea of the changes to his nose: As we can see, from the front his nose bridge looks a bit bumpy with a bulbous tip. A quick glance it his side profile also shows that his nose used to be shorter than it was at debut/now: Compared to 2012, where not only his nose bridge is smoothed out but his nose is also visibly longer: I had to look up which procedure can elongate the nose, and it seems that the answer is by reshaping the nose tip through cartilage grafting. I do not think he has an implant; it has been established before that he uses fillers to smooth out his bridge and it does seem to fluctuate every once in a while between slightly bumpy, straight and even hooked at times. He probably gets fillers in the upper part of his bridge up until the eyebrows and above the tip: Admittedly not the best pic, but the bridge is slightly more bumpy here. Versus more hooked in 2016: I also think he may have had an alarplasty in addition to the reshaping of the tip. Saving the best for last, let's look at the work the transformed his lower face. This is the one part about his face that has been debated the most throughout the years, with speculations ranging from jaw shave to chin shave to chin wing implants. After looking at a million pics I reckon he probably got the Jessica Special, meaning corrective jaw surgery with some cosmetic bonuses, since we're already at it. Using this pic again, we can see that his chin juts out awkwardly, creating an imbalanced lower face, with clear indents around his chin. This leads me to believe he first and foremost had corrective jaw surgery to fix his underbite, similar to Jessica, and then some more work to shorten and soften his chin a little bit and create an oval face shape: compared to his profile at debut: Now what's interesting is that the closer we get to his predebut times at SM, the more his jaw looks like his post debut one. It could theoretically be possible that he already had corrective jaw surgery in high school as it would be beneficial for him, with SM only adding the finishing touches to complete his flowerboyification. Look at his jaw during his high school graduation ceremony, it does not look all that different from how it looks now: I still believe he either had a chin reduction or a chin wing implant later on to further integrate his chin and create more of a v-line. There's this indent between his lower lip and chin that doesn't seem to exist anymore. Comparing predebut Baekhyun to a more recent picture: To sum it all up, here's what I think he's got done: 1. Upper Blepharoplasty 2. Possible Epicanthoplasty 3. Tip plasty by using cartilage grafting 4. Possible Alarplasty 5. Fillers to smooth out nose bump 6. Corrective Jaw Surgery to fix bite issues 7. Chin Reduction or Chin Wing Implant to give the illusion of a reduction 8. Generally fillers like how all idols get them What do you think? I think it's a shame how much flack Baekhyun gets for looking "ugly" predebut, so I tried my best not to use the worst pictures ever for this comparison. He undoubtedly had work done to get to his current looks, but I am firmly against purposefully using the most unflattering pics one can find and comparing them with pics where he is clearly all dolled up. For the after-photos I tried using pics where he's wearing very little to no makeup and that weren't edited to hell and back, to make it as fair as possible. As I said in the introduction, I am by no means an expert on this and at the end of the day only he knows the amount of plastic surgery he's had. I limited myself to only pointing out the changes I can personally see, but if there's anything else that caught your eye please do comment and I might add it to the post. Also please let me know if I should put the pics under spoilers, I tried to limit my selection as much as possible and tried my best at resizing them without compromising too much of the quality, but if it's still too much I'll change it. Next member will follow soon!

I'm back with the second part of my EXO series! This time we're going to look at Chen! I actually meant to post his analysis yesterday as well thinking it was going to be quick and easy, but when I was deciding on which pictures to choose I realized his case wasn't quite as clear cut as I initially thought. After browsing some more old blogs and looking at him in motion I think I can finally pinpoint what's changed for sure. All disclaimers from yesterday apply here as well. Let's start with a general comparison: (Apologies for the bad quality of the predebut pic, all the better quality ones had him wearing glasses so you could barely see his eyes which is why I had to settle for this one.) Anyway, at first glance it kinda seems like nothing much has changed at all. While predebut Chen had a noticeably square jaw, which resulted in his face sometimes looking rather bottom heavy and a little bit imbalanced, his post debut jaw doesn't look all that much different from the front. His profile however is a different story: With SM's love for v-lines and soft, steep jaws, there was no way they'd let a strong jaw like Chen's pass. And fair enough, at debut his mandible angle had been visibly shaved down, indicating a jaw reduction. What really tripped me up however was when this was supposed to have happened. Watching their old MVs, I initially thought he had debuted with his original jaw and either went in for a jaw shave during their hiatus between their debut and their first album, or had his jaw shaved down sometime between their MV filming and debut, which would have left him with very little recovery time: This gif from the History MV shows him with his distinctly square jaw. Same with some of their earliest promo: Once he'd debuted however his lower face started to look significantly slimmer and more v-shaped, and from looking at pics as early as his Gayo Daejun performance in 2011 it was clear that his jaw shave must have already happened by then, given his mandible angle was nowhere to be found. This leads me to believe that he did not only have a large mandibular bone, but large masseter muscles as well. In addition to a jaw shave he must've also gotten botox to the masseter muscles for the desired v-line effect that a jaw reduction alone couldn't achieve. I personally believe he still gets botox shots every once in a while. His jaw isn't nearly as inconsistent as, say, Jaehyun's, but it does occasionally seem to fluctuate a bit. The other thing that stuck out to me are his eyes. Sadly none of the predebut photos I've found are high quality enough to allow for a detailed analysis, but I'll try my best: These two photos admittedly don't give me much to work with, but judging by the second pic I believe Chen already had double eyelids to begin with, they were just rather uneven and a bit hidden. For his debut I believe he's had his double eyelids deepened and the crease heightened, as well as an epicanthoplasty to get rid of the epicanthic fold: I cannot tell whether he had an upper blepharoplasty as well, it's possible but for now I'm sticking with double eyelids+epicanthoplasty only. I do not think he touched his nose either; the picture with the glasses is pretty much the only one we have of his profile and his nose bridge looks about the same height as now to me. It does look a little bit more defined in his after pictures, but it's nothing good lighting can't do so I don't want to jump to conclusions without sufficient material to judge from. To sum it all up, here's what I believe Chen had done over the years: 1. Jaw Reduction 2. Masseter Botox 3. Double Eyelid Surgery 4. Epicanthoplasty Interestingly enough he's never struck me as the type to go ham on fillers. He probably does get them every once in a while, but overall his face moves very naturally and he never looks visibly filled in. My personal opinion is that while his jaw shave is definitely one of the better ones we've seen and only truly noticeable in profile when you know what to look for, it was also wholly unnecessary. I feel botox alone would've done a lot already to slim down his lower face and balance his features, but at the end of the day it's his face and I can't say he looks bad now. His eyes on the other hand are a stand out to me, I think getting rid of his epicanthic fold was an interesting choice that paid off. That's it for Chen! As always, comments and corrections are more than welcome!

Not Jiwoong going " This is the strength of Zerobaseone" (he didn't lie tho). It is pretty fun to see their personalities more so than we did from Boys Planet and pre-debut stuff.

He can limit the tweet view, change the name, and make the site more of a hellscape than it already is, but people aren't going to leave it. No matter how much they threaten to leave, they won't because there's nowhere else that has a similar user interface with better programming. The fact that there is no true replacement for Twitter is a mess. I'm hoping people are now understanding why innovation and competition are important when it comes to businesses. So many important government, community, and news agencies use Twitter to get information out to the public. Now it's all going downhill because of some dude's ego getting slaughtered.

I don't have a link to the tweets but Hobi was also the one getting clocked as gay a day after their debut lol

quoting some anon asks i saw on retrospring (not posting the links in case op would be uncomfortable with it): i'm a little surprised they actually kept this part in the video? in what world is "jang jang" less incriminating than whatever was saved on kakaotalk... lord... but i guess m2 wasn't holding back bc their tweet captions were crazy

i've been thinking abt this! how some fansign questions might be a bit invasive or just... unsettling? like haobin are both so interesting as individuals, so i feel like there's potential for some really cool questions abt their passions, hobbies, etc. (i know i'd personally want to ask hanbin abt waacking and tutting or the dance battle with haruto hehehe). plus, i've heard some posts are being mistranslated or misinterpreted (or flat-out fabricated) to align with fanbase interests... sigh... this is what i fear abt shipping culture (imo boundaries are crossed when it reaches the people involved) as you said, they can't answer honestly anyways :< i think someone asked zhang hao abt his sleeve habit and, yes, maybe it's 100% related to playing the violin, but it's not like he can say "well... have you heard the story of the 'cut sleeve' and everything it represents?" LOL especially when they're probably already cautious of receiving more homophobic vitriol (i've seen "gay base one" a few times on naver and ngl... it would be funny if it wasn't supposed to be a drag T_T) + side note: that being said, i've been living for taerae's open babygirlism... i wonder how many members are queer :0 i always end up rambling mb but i'm totally here for the tin-hatting :3 i've read a lot from k-fans abt the tingle interview kakaotalk / wechat fiasco edit: ah i just remembered someone also asked zhang hao abt hanbin's name tag during the boys planet performance reactions (which he said he asked for as a joke ofc)

you absolutely nailed our fandom, we love to ship the members (not just haobin either but there are several very popular ships in the fandom) but hate to acknowledge any queerness amongst the members. ofc some of us fans are fine with labeling some members as possibly queer but the vast majority of fans start clutching their pearls if you suggest someone might be gay or queer.

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i feel like taemin's answer is so typical straight guy and key is..... well, key (for context, what he said is a meme in korea so he's not being serious but you get the gist)

i remember people discussed here about irene and zzinu (i don't know his actual name sorry), two of hobi's closest friends that were seen with him in the jack in the box listening party and i found this post on facebook about some of his other queer friends and in the first picture it looks like zzinu was at a parade for pride month, i tried to find more info about it on twitter but i couldnt find anything, but he's photographer, i would be more surprised if he was straight and hobi's dancer too, so even if he's not queer i wouldnt be surprised if the majority of his friends consisted of queer people https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=815789206659453&set=pb.100046851436743.-2207520000.&type=3

Honestly I try not to worry to much about the inconsistencies with their interactions lately since I feel like it probably also has a lot to do with wakeone. Ever since bp ended I feel like we’ve been watching wakeone struggling with what to do about haobin. They started out posting a lot of haobin content (like the tiktok content and the first debut teaser) but then something shifted and they stopped pairing them up all the time. I personally feel like most haobin moments we get nowadays come from sources outside of wakeone. Usually we see companies push ships and fanservice but haobin is different since not only a lot of fans but also people outside the fandom believe there to be something going on between them. I think wakeone is very aware of this and is trying to find a balance between keeping shippers happy and not painting out zb1 as a gay group. Maybe I’m delulu but I personally think that the moments we’ve seen lately were they seem more careful of physical touch (like the cute clip that was posted above) speak to them being told to reign in their affection a bit. On another note I feel like Haobin being more cautious on camera might actually be good for them. Just as many of you mentioned, an unfortunate byproduct of haobin being open with their fans leads to some fans feeling like they have a right to know what is going on in their relationship which is bound to take a toll on them.

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She looks like a completely different person and she's only 18. She looks pretty but sometimes her face looks stiff and over filled. I worry about what she's going to look like at 25 let alone 35.

Not only is it unlikely for Hong Seokcheon to out anybody since he knows from experience how tough it is to be openly gay, Korea has very intense anti-defamation laws that allow people to sue over statements that are considered damaging to their reputation, even if said statements are true. Outing an idol could easily fall into that category & might result in serious legal repercussions. Apocryphally that's one of the reasons Dispatch has never revealed any gay dating scandals. Tbh I'm neutral about RPS and kinda enjoyed stumbling upon the unhinged takes those two would post since it reminded me of late 00s/early 10s tumblr where people posted absolutely anything with no fear, but it was an inevitability that being THAT horny on main would blow up in their faces. Not a matter of if, just a matter of when. ZB1 fandom is really odd-- a lot of zeroses seem to ship Haobin but at the same time don't want to get tainted with the RPSer stigma. You see people claiming that Hao and Hanbin are soulmates/destined/perfect matches/etc, very romantic sentiments, but they always emphasize that they only mean it in a platonic besties way!! Then you have people who want to hide all hints of ZB1's past queerness and downplay Haobin to avoid hatred/scandals, who end up tacitly homophobic in the process. The whole "Hao imitating Hanbin's mother dance is offensive" thing from a few days ago was a good example of the latent homophobia lurking in certain parts of ZB1 fandom. A fandom with a lot of growing pains, for sure. (As for me, I'm just here for Ricky )

Hao has been having random hetero rumors just because he’s breathing next to a girl, but out of all the tweets this response got almost 50k likes

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I'm like 99.9% certain that Changmin was the boyfriend that Junsung's mom found out about and lost her shit over. So there's... that, lol. Outside of that, I can see where they would be attracted to each other but how the relationship would have broken down because of their vastly different communication styles and ways of showing affection. But it's good to see that they are still friends though. For my thoughts on the eps: JUNSUNGHO NATION WE WONNNNNNNN!!! It's kinda insane how we went from Sungho declaring on Day 1 that it was "100% platonic/0% romance" to Day 5 being the happiest he had ever been in his LIFE with Junsung and being attached to the hip. It was also very organic and doesn't seem like a forced or whirlwind connection. I also appreciate than Junsung was persistent and consistent in his pursuit of Sungho without being pushy or overbearing unlike a certain other individual I'll get to later. Their whole storlyine in this show was the makings of a New York Times bestselling romance. The editors also need awards for the the their work in stitching together those phone booth shots, the music, the filming angles, and also interweaving their joy to make the other BS around them bearble to watch. I will say they were a little obnoxious once they became THE house couple, especially when they had the nerve to want to raid Seonwoo's wardrobe for couple outfits then said all of his clothes were dull right in front his face. They did make up for it later in the chats and I like that they get along with everyone. The camp scenes were something else and there is no way they did not kiss at some point in the camper. My heart really went out to my sad gays Seonwoo and Jeongwook this episode. I don't think Seonwoo was really heartbroken over Sungho but I think came to some self-realizations through this process and is also just incredibly lonely. But I think going forward he can be more open and honest to others and not so much of a people pleaser. Jeongwook is still grieving his 8 year relationship and really isn't in the place to be dating especially a 21 year old like Yunghee. It's a blessing in disguise that ship sunk. I did think while watching the Seonwoo and Jeongwook could potentially have a connection if they interacted on a deeper level. Manifesting that crack ship into existence, lol. I think Yunghee is just riding the rest of the time living a Mariah Carey fantasy and I can't be mad at him. He's too young to sit around being a sad gay too. Now for the Bermuda Triangle. Everyone involved annoys me to varying degrees, but Hyungjin takes the cake as the worst. For one, he's way too domineering and overbearing with Minsung. Bombarding him over breakfast, the car arrangements, constantly inserting himself when ever Hjoon and Minsung are alone. Calm tf down. But I also think it's smarmy how he tries to act like Hjoon's friend in private then switches up when they're in the group. I understand Hjoon's feeling totally blindsided because Hjin says one thing and then behaves another way. I sympathize with Minsung's predicament because I wouldn't want to be stuck with two guys I'm torn over both in front of me in the same space all the time either. But he also needs to stop avoiding the conflict and at least tell them to chill out while he makes up his mind. I think Hjoon is more sensitive to not wanting to make Minsung uncomfortable which is why he backs down a lot and tries not to make it into a bigger issue. But Hjin just keeps demonstrating his lack of consideration for other people's feelings and it's making me root for Joon to come out on top or for Minsung to just cut both of them and go about his day. ALL than being said, I do love the friendship dynamics of this cast. Particularly I love the Seonwoo/Minsung, Yunghee/Hyungjoon, and Sungho/Jeongwook moments. Last season had good friend dynamics too, but this cast feels tighter knit and like they would remain a real friend group outside of the house. I know I would watch like a Real Boyfriends of Itaewon or something with them and hope they do Youtube content like the S1 cast does to see more of their casual interactions.

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I agree with all of this !! I'm on Twitter but mostly on the kr/japanese zeroses side bc I find that some i-fans are going too far. From what I have seen about Hanbin and Hao from that side (kr) is that they are very supportive people keeping it cute and all. I don't see a lot of homophobia but I kinda see it from the I-side on low-key which always results in fights all the time. I feel like some people reduce their moments based by their homophobia but at the same time some of them use them as their fantasy and go waaaaay too far and almost all the time it's nsfw. About the person that met HSC, I really doubt that he outed anyone to them considering his past I wouldn't think one second that he'd put someone through this. I think they misinterpreted or used HSC words to fit their narrative. Also what I really like about OH is that there's a difference in speculating about one sexuality and using concrete proofs to out someone and everyone here gets it. I hope I don't see this kind of situation here ! At the end I really hope that that mess doesn't reach the boys.

nope, they did have a selfie with hong seokcheon at the event so there's proof that an interaction happened but i'm pretty sure the op also said that he talked about them (the boys planet trainees) like the fans do (there was a screenshot of this tweet but i wouldn't wanna post it as the whole thing has died down and if it had actually blown up even more it'd be real bad) which i guess means going off cues/stereotypes so he didn't name anyone but even then we have like no idea if he even said anything 'revealing', op was likely just projecting as i feel like hong seokcheon of all people wouldn't do something like that.

Seokcheon followed Jiwoong as well before they had to deactivate! I don't have a screenshot but i remember

I really don't know if it was posted here already as I was not active in this thread when it aired but for anyone who didn't know, back then, Hong Seokcheon followed Hanbin on his personal insta when it was still up. I don't think that we still need proofs about his sexuality but I wanted to share it

JK's debut is boring and underwhelming the explicit version is a cringefest

it's a tragedy that no one here ever talks about lee know I mean other than just saying he's gay, it's like we all agree but no one knows why lmao

I have a basic bitch name but somehow it becomes Alfreda, Fernanda, Glenda and now it's Anana. I legit thought a kid called me Banana.

Forcing polyamorous views on your monogamous partner is so shitty