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Is Beyoncé really the classy, strong and independent woman/feminist everyone makes her out to be?


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#1 Arrogant Fucking Prince

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Posted 08 January 2014 - 07:40 PM (Edited by Arrogant Fucking Prince, 08 January 2014 - 07:43 PM.)

Her latest album is basically: Sex, desperation/yearning for a man, love and some predictable sensual ballads.




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Posted 08 January 2014 - 07:41 PM

She is certainly not the worst docile, unassertive damsel in distress, but she's not the queen feminist either.




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Posted 08 January 2014 - 07:44 PM

she can still be a feminist while singing about sex and sensuality, tho




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Posted 08 January 2014 - 07:44 PM

No but her marketing team has done an amazing job and making people believe she is.




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Posted 08 January 2014 - 07:45 PM

lol


#6 ryokonicheiress

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Posted 08 January 2014 - 07:45 PM

short answer. no. long answer. it's all about the benjamins. 




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Posted 08 January 2014 - 07:46 PM

This is still a question? It has been apparent for a while now that she's not one of the leading figures of the feminist empire. There's always going to be contradictions but it's so blatant with Yonce.




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Posted 08 January 2014 - 07:47 PM

No, Ayumi Hamasaki is.




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Posted 08 January 2014 - 07:50 PM

“I don’t at all have any shame about being sexual, and I’m not embarrassed about it, and I don’t feel like I have to protect that side of me because I do believe that sexuality is a power that we all have.”

 

http://fansided.com/...exuality-video/




#10 Arrogant Fucking Prince

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Posted 08 January 2014 - 07:52 PM (Edited by Arrogant Fucking Prince, 08 January 2014 - 07:53 PM.)

She is certainly not the worst docile, unassertive damsel in distress, but she's not the queen feminist either.

Do they even have those in western pop, anymore?

 

 

she can still be a feminist while singing about sex and sensuality, tho

That was referring to the "classy" part. I find it odd, having a part in your song talking about how women are trained to think that they have to marry and that they need a man and then another about how she's desperate for attention.

 

 

No but her marketing team has done an amazing job and making people believe she is.

short answer. no. long answer. it's all about the benjamins. 

This is still a question? It has been apparent for a while now that she's not one of the leading figures of the feminist empire. There's always going to be contradictions but it's so blatant with Yonce.

You'd think they'd put more effort into it, I mean it's not that hard to produce a couple "Partition" clones.

 

 

No, Ayumi Hamasaki is.

Yep, she buys her white men, ALL.... BY.... HER...SELF!!!!




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Posted 08 January 2014 - 07:55 PM

Do they even have those in western pop, anymore?

Taylor Swift. All her lyrics are about "Oh I'm so in Love" "Oh I'm so heartbroken" or "Oh my ex-boyfriend treated me so badly"




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Posted 08 January 2014 - 07:56 PM

she's no britney spears that's for sure




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Posted 08 January 2014 - 08:03 PM

Taylor Swift. All her lyrics are about "Oh I'm so in Love" "Oh I'm so heartbroken" or "Oh my ex-boyfriend treated me so badly"

 

I hate her...




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Posted 08 January 2014 - 08:07 PM

she can still be a feminist while singing about sex and sensuality, tho



This so much. There is nothing about feminism that says you cannot enjoy your sexuality or find yourself sexy.


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Posted 08 January 2014 - 08:07 PM

That's what you took away from the album? 

 

No but her marketing team has done an amazing job and making people believe she is.

 

ground breaking stuff right here




#16 Arrogant Fucking Prince

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Posted 08 January 2014 - 08:10 PM (Edited by Arrogant Fucking Prince, 08 January 2014 - 08:11 PM.)

This so much. There is nothing about feminism that says you cannot enjoy your sexuality or find yourself sexy.

That was referring to the "classy" part. I find it odd, having a part in your song talking about how women are trained to think that they have to marry and that they need a man and then another about how she's desperate for attention.

 

 

That's what you took away from the album?

I'm sorry my penis that bleeds every month didn't recieve any life changing insight or revolutionary perspectives from this album. Though I found the part where she was singing about being on her knees and the fountain between her legs quite enlightening.

 

she's no britney spears that's for sure

Well aren't you a haha comedian.




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Posted 08 January 2014 - 08:12 PM

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Posted 08 January 2014 - 08:12 PM (Edited by hyorifan, 08 January 2014 - 08:24 PM.)

Do they even have those in western pop, anymore?

 

 

That was referring to the "classy" part. I find it odd, having a part in your song talking about how women are trained to think that they have to marry and that they need a man and then another about how she's desperate for attention.

 

 

You'd think they'd put more effort into it, I mean it's not that hard to produce a couple "Partition" clones.

 

 

Yep, she buys her white men, ALL.... BY.... HER...SELF!!!!

 

Warning: Just realized I wrote a fcking essay

 

 

Your theory is probably valid but your assumptions are so off. I'm sure Beyonce was a label puppet for quite a while but this album was a clear indication that she really doesn't trust them anymore, Partition was also written by her, not her label, as you can see in her BTS video. The reason she is so sensual now is because she simply stopped giving a fck about trying to please the GP and always being PG. You guys are reading too much into the album and how much of a say her label and marketing team had on it when it seems like this was honestly a half assed effort (she literally free-styled some of the songs and the studio didn't even have fcking lights). I'm not saying the album wasn't creative, just saying she could have put more effort into it, then again the whole concept for this album was to show that she could bang out hits without trying. (i.e no promo for the album what so ever)




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Posted 08 January 2014 - 08:14 PM

She is doing what she wants to. How is that not independent?




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Posted 08 January 2014 - 08:24 PM

She's a pop star, not some sort of figure for social change. She sings her songs, makes her money, and live her life. I think people project what they want her to be onto her instead of what she actually is.







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